But we also have to have a look at the policies that are made by government since early settlement. That has interfered with Aboriginal people.

Aboriginal people are confused too, that they look at other avenues for solace such as alcohol/drugs, and that's why we've gotta lot of people incarceration. But when you have a look at, say, if you've got a father of a family incarceration, then who's looking after their children, who brings income into the family. But that family is starting to suffer. Then the child would play up because they've got no mentor in their family to look after them.

A lot of our young adults are becoming parents without having the parent expertise, though they're more or less children themselves who are having children. And that becomes a burden on a family because it brings another mouth to feed into the family structure and already we have an overcrowding house.